how tight is too tight

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globe
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i'm sure this has been asked before, but how tight should your climbing shoes be, and will they stretch much ?

For example a pair i hired from the gym were really comfy bit like wearing trainers, a pair i borrowed from me mate were so tight that after 20minutes i couldn't even walk in them.

SHould they be somewhere in between ? As a rule do they normally start to hurt your feet after a hour or two when you first get into climbing or is that too tight still ?

thanks

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A lot will depend on what you want to do

If you are doing short intense hard boulder problms or short routes you may well want tighter

that would be a horror if you want to do long routes - multipitch.

We used to fit crippling tight but really that is not the best idea. Fit firm,but not tight various models stretch differently too. If it feels like sneakers they are too loose.
If they have lots of rand rubber they probably won't stretch much, the cheap looking (hairy?) on the inside leather often gives a lot.

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Myxomatosis
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If they are your first pair.... I wouldnt spend to much money on them, you will chew through them in a couple of months :)

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general rule is:

1. leather stretch more than synthetic

2. unlined stretch more than lined